Rental Alert!!! (Hipsters need not apply)
Oh man, there are so many hipsterisms to point out in this Craigslist Rental Posting that I'm not even going to try. You'll see them as you read. However I would like to say... Why the fuck would anyone have so many rules and regulations, so many do's and dont's and still choose to live with 5 people in an apartment for $1100 a month per person??? It makes no sense at all. I'll tell you why. It's the fascination the transplant has with Bedford Ave and Williamsburg. They'll do anything to say they live there. They feel that having an address in North Brooklyn will enhance their creativity. Notice how the person who wrote this tries so hard to mask the fact that he himself is a hipster. Sorry Tristan, can't fool me.
BIG ROOM IN GIANT LOFT!!! Bedford & N3rd!!
Reply to: hous-652603865@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-04-22, 9:23PM
Room Available May 1st.
$1100. N.3/Bedford, Williamsburg Bk.
Upon move in $1100 for security & first month rent.
About the Apartment:
Our home is a about a 1200sq ft loft that has been converted into a 5 bedroom Wonder World. All the rooms are approximately the same size and shape. That being about 12ft by 10ft. The ceilings are very high and perfect for a loft bed or some sort of overhead compartment. None of the bedrooms have a window except for one, which is the room for rent – The window is huge and can be opened to let that fresh summer breeze off the East River in. There is also a large back wall of windows that faces Metropolitan that is pretty awesome.
The building has the best roof in New York City. There are multiple levels and areas to get a summer BBQ going, lay out and tan, chat on the phone, or meet a neighbor. I must say we have actually even camped out there. There is also an amazing view of the Manhattan skyline. The building has four entrances and exits. One on Bedford (Above pharmacy, vintage store, and Bagel Store), 2 on N. 3 and one on N. 4 (by San Loco). The apartment building is full of units and many neighbors to meet and greet. Some are cool, some are not, some want to be cool, some are fun, some are attractive, and some are douche bag kids that we forbid in our home. There is one bathroom and one kitchen that we all collectively work at keeping clean, neat, organized and pretty. The front living room is designed for a communal vibe, and the occasional friend to entertain, have dinner, read a book, and check your myspace. The back room is an ever-changing office arrangement. The apartment is heated in the winter and air conditioned in the summer. There is a nice 24 hour laundry mat directly below the one flight walk up apartment. We are working on getting wireless Internet, that will be already included in your rent.
The rent is paid by check or money order only to the landlord. The rent is collected in an envelope - sealed and all five checks are delivered in one package to the landlord by the 5th of the month. NO IF ANDS OR BUTS. Failure to meet rent by the 5th of the month 2 times will cause handing you a check with your deposit and a swift kick in the ass out of our home. We do not play games when it comes to bills.
About Your Roommates:
We are 3 straight guys approaching mid twenties; 2 are DJ’s, 1 is a student. We are social people that laugh and have fun together very often. We are always polite and respectful to each other. We are out going and always leave our personal issues away from the communal vibe of the house. We communicate very well and always respectfully discuss our likes and dislikes about the apartments and each other involving the apartment. We all have busy lives and often need a creative quiet work vibes in the house. We all have personal lives that involve the opposite sex; we spend as much time out of the house with our respected ladies as we do in the house. We try to maintain noise late hours in the night out of respect for each other. We are friends. We occasionally have house guests, parents over, business meetings and dinners. Being that we realize we live with 5 people we try to keep out of each others way at times.
About You:
You are fucking awesome. You are the housemate anyone would want. You have conversations with your housemates as well as have your own personal life out side of us. You laugh at jokes, have a great sense of humor but are not fake, flakey, full of shit, or pretend. You already know how great the neighborhood is and have friends you see all the time around the way. You are a girl or guy with a great sense of personal care. You make nasty in the bathroom you light incense. You make mac n’ cheese you do the dishes and maybe even the single cup the person before you left behind. You have a passion for something creative that you honestly peruse. You don’t say you are a writer, you have 6 chapters done and working on number 7. You don’t say you are a painter, you have awesome art that your housemates love to see and talk about. You are open to new ideas, music, people, foods, and art. You don’t have any pets. You don’t have some dependant boyfriend or girlfriend that is always sitting on our couch and eating my cereal. You are trustworthy, respectful, honest, and neat. At least neat in common areas. You shower, wear deodorant, brush your teeth, do laundry and even bust out the broom and murder some dust bunnies. You are not a couch potato.
You have a handful of awesome friends that are respectful and nice to your housemates also. Your friends don’t come over to often and they and you ask if someone can sleep on the couch. You do not use drugs. You do not lie and say you don’t drugs then actually do. Trust me we will find out if you do. I repeat you do not have some sketchy delivery guy dropping off little white bags of death at 6 in the morning at my home with a few asshole friends. You do occasionally smoke some greens and share with your roommates. Occasionally not excessively. You are not whiney. You are not gossipy. Your are not a slut, you are not a douche bag. You work a job or two. You have a job with perks we can all use. You pay attention to sound and alarms. Your are over all CONSIDERATE ABOUT THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU. You do not smoke cigarettes in our home. You use apple computers and read vice magazine. You are not too old, you are not too young. You are not a drama king or drama queen. You are not an asshole.
And you think this apartment sounds like the best place for you.
Inquiries:
Send us a link to your myspace or facebook so we can get a better idea about your personality. 
So there looking for a fag essentially.
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"You use apple computers and read vice magazine"
after that point you should just give up the long description and say
listen we need a Hipster plain and simple.
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I love how these people claim to be so open minded yet they hate anyone who is different then them. Hypocrite, gentrifying brats, I hope the real Brooklynites get suck of these punks and take their city back.
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"You have a job with perks we can all use."
wtf?
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how about this one "you dont use drugs, but you will share your pot with us"
or this one " you have a job with perks we can all use" <-- Ok Josh, i'll get you some free Post-its and White Out.
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Anti-hipster sentiment is really based on a resentment of people who have healthier and more fulfilling social lives. Judging from their comments, a lot of anti-hipster sentiment evidently comes from "tough guy" non-intellectual homophobic macho types who feel that the more sensitive, intelligent, physically slimmer, and culturally aware hipster ideal threatens their insecure sense of masculinity. At some point in their lives they probably got mocked and ridiculed, or even had beer poured all over their heads, by some downtown girl with a tattoo (aka "hipster") after trying to pull some lame move on them. If you think about it, in some ways the entire hipster revolution came about to mock and ridicule such people and their mentalities. It's not about meat and muscle anymore. Anti-hipster sentiment often comes from people who simply can't keep up with social change and are envious of those who can. Remember...you can always rate the amount of insecurity someone has by the amount they rant about hipsters.
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Im a physically slimmer, sensitive, non-macho girl (aka not a 'tough guy') and I hate all the shitty hipsters too. the worst is that they all think they are better than everyone else ("people who have healthier and more fulfilling social lives.") AHHHHHg.
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"physically slimmer"? So now you are saying you can only be a hipster if you fit into size 0 skinny leg jeans? seriously, that's so ignorant....P.S....I'm not a meathead, I've been called a hipster (don't like to claim it though). Just think about what say before you stereotype your own kind.
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Hilarious. These same trust-fund idiots are taking over my city (Albuquerque, NM) and raising rent prices and driving out natives. Can't they stay in Ohio/SoCal/Indiana and not destroy cities with real character? Nobody wants them here, they're just around to destroy the character of the cities/boroughs they infest. I may do like my friends in Williamsburg and start slashing the tires on their "vintage" bikes, and generally making them feel unwelcome.
And everyone can ignore the "anonymous" post about "anti-hipster" sentiment. All of our social lives are exactly where they should/need to be. It's based on the animosity they feel from natives who are tired of them destroying what makes our respective cities worth living in. That means, we love our crack dealers as much as we hate them. They keep shitty suburbanite trust-fund kids out of our faces because the local criminals already know us and don't harass them like they harass the tight-jeans wearing morons who are multiplying like cockroaches here.
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Actually.. I should amend. There IS a certain constituency who wants them here. Namely, it's the corporate shills who sell them their overpriced 2nd hand "vintage" clothing and those who can charge doubled rent because the hipsters' parents are underwriting the cost of their whole "city different"(google it) adventure.
And when they turn this city into another burnt out husk of former character, they'll move on to California or wherever these dumbfucks come from, so they can live in their parents' basements again.
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Oh, and if you have to TELL your roommates to clean up their own filth, you live with hipsters. God, I could spit on these assholes.
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The ignorant anti-hipster ranters on here would like to have you believe that their hated of hipsters is based on the perception that hipsters are responsible for gentrification and rent increases. The idea that hipsters are solely responsible for gentrification is already highly debatable. Intelligent discourse would tell you that the root causes of gentrification are multi-factorial, and include greedy developers and landlords, our capitalistic economic system, as well as whoever might moving into a gentrifying neighborhood to feed into the system...hipster or not. In fact, gentrification also takes place in neighborhoods that don't have a high hipster populations at all. An example of this would be the expansion of Columbia University into "Manhattanville" in West Harlem (http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/property/2006/05/columbias_manha.html). Clearly there is more to gentrification than just hipsters alone. Anti-hipster sentiment based on gentrification is not only misplaced and misguided, but is really a manifestation of deeper psychological issues.
An interesting observation on these anti-hipster ranters are their failed attempts to hijack online "hipster blogs" with their incoherent babble. These blogs often document various cultural activities in the city, and upon closer inspection of pictures therein, you'll find many people who don't fit a hipster stereotype at all, but are all thoroughly enjoying themselves. Of course, anti-hipster ranters still shout "hipster" at anyone and everyone they don't agree with. If you own an Ipod, they will call you "hipster". If you've ever gone to Starbucks, they will call you "hipster". If you are a freelancer and have your own work hours, they will call you "hipster". If you own any clothing from a thrift store or have edgy urban fashion sensibilities, they will call you "hipster". If you listen to bands on an indie record label, they will call you "hipster". If your hair is a little messy or scruffy, they will call you "hipster". If you drink cheap beer like PBR, they will call you "hipster". If you are vegan, they will call you "hipster". If you simply exist, they will call you "hipster".
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Social attitudes and fashion trends that were revived over 15 years ago by creative types in Williamsburg have now been re-established into the mainstream and are gaining popularity at an exponential rate, in part due to the rise of the internet and various online social networking and photo-blog sites. Everyone from college students to investment bankers are adopting elements of hipsterism, to some degree, in one form or another these days. In a sense, the hipsters have won as they have successfully "hipsterized" modern day sensibilities. "Hipsters" are out partying, enjoying life, meeting new friends, and probably getting laid while the anti-hipster hate mongerers are sitting alone behind their computer screens resenting anyone else out there who is out having fun. I'm pretty sure the group of people they label "hipsters" would much rather prefer doing whatever they're doing, than to switch places with the anti-hipster ranters on here. Hipsters represent a significant fraction of the under-30 population in this city who enjoy keeping up with the latest in nightlife, music, art, and culture.
What does this all really mean? Anti-hipster sentiment is really based on a resentment of people who have healthier and more fulfilling social lives. Judging from their comments, a lot of anti-hipster sentiment evidently comes from "tough guy" non-intellectual homophobic macho types who feel that the more sensitive, intelligent, physically slimmer, and culturally aware hipster ideal threatens their insecure sense of masculinity. At some point in their lives they probably got mocked and ridiculed, or even had beer poured all over their heads, by some downtown girl with a tattoo (aka "hipster") after trying to pull some lame move on them. If you think about it, in some ways the entire hipster revolution came about to mock and ridicule such people and their mentalities. It's not about meat and muscle anymore. Anti-hipster sentiment often comes from people who simply can't keep up with social change and are envious of those who can. Remember...you can always rate the amount of insecurity someone has by the amount they rant about hipsters.
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It's fucking 2:30am Sunday morning when you're writing this bullshit. Get a job u cunt!
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That is fucking hilarious - wonder if he was 'skiing'?
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You are a real fucking douchebag.
As a matter of fact your whole "cuture" reaks of douchebagginess.
Time to start cracking some fucking heads!
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"None of the bedrooms have a window except for one..."
Ooooh, i bet the fire marshal is gonna LOVE that one!
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DJ isn't a fucking job.
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Anti-hipster sentiment is really based on a resentment of people who have healthier and more fulfilling social lives. Judging from their comments, a lot of anti-hipster sentiment evidently comes from "tough guy" non-intellectual homophobic macho types who feel that the more sensitive, intelligent, physically slimmer, and culturally aware hipster ideal threatens their insecure sense of masculinity. At some point in their lives they probably got mocked and ridiculed, or even had beer poured all over their heads, by some downtown girl with a tattoo (aka "hipster") after trying to pull some lame move on them. If you think about it, in some ways the entire hipster revolution came about to mock and ridicule such people and their mentalities. It's not about meat and muscle anymore. Anti-hipster sentiment often comes from people who simply can't keep up with social change and are envious of those who can. Remember...you can always rate the amount of insecurity someone has by the amount they rant about hipsters.
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Really, you concluded this from your research? I believe the opposite - that the hipster 'movement' allowed skinny bullied sensitive young men an opportunity to express themselves in a non-traditional way that was finally attractive to women. This fad isn't a revolution or movement, it's a current trend just like the many that came before it and will fade like many before it. The annoying thing are the delusions of grandeur this fad has generated including your email - using revolution for instance. The guys on the football team might have been dicks but so are the hipsters running around with their playing broke until they turn 26 and take that job their Daddy worked out for them. Being culturally aware doesn't include the lineup at Union Hall.
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Of course, anti-hipster ranters still shout "hipster" at anyone and everyone they don't agree with. If you own an Ipod, they will call you "hipster". If you've ever gone to Starbucks, they will call you "hipster". If you are a freelancer and have your own work hours, they will call you "hipster". If you own any clothing from a thrift store or have edgy urban fashion sensibilities, they will call you "hipster". If you listen to bands on an indie record label, they will call you "hipster". If your hair is a little messy or scruffy, they wil call you "hipster". If you drink cheap beer like PBR, they will call you "hipster". If you are vegan, they will call you "hipster". If you simply exist, they will call you "hipster".
Social attitudes and fashion trends that were revived over 15 years ago by creative types in Williamsburg have now been re-established into the mainstream and are gaining popularity at an exponential rate, in part due to the rise of the internet and various online social networking and photo-blog sites. Everyone from college students to investment bankers are adopting elements of hipsterism, to some degree, in one form or another these days. In a sense, the hipsters have won as they have successfully "hipsterized" modern day sensibilities. "Hipsters" are out partying, enjoying life, meeting new friends, and probably getting laid while the anti-hipster hate mongerers are sitting alone behind their computer screens resenting anyone else out there who is out having fun. I'm pretty sure the group of people they label "hipsters" would much rather prefer doing whatever they're doing, than to switch places with the anti-hipster ranters on here. Hipsters represent a significant fraction of the under-30 population in this city who enjoy keeping up with the latest in nightlife, music, art, and culture.
What does this all really mean? Anti-hipster sentiment is really based on a resentment of people who have healthier and more fulfilling social lives. Judging from their comments, a lot of anti-hipster sentiment evidently comes from "tough guy" non-intellectual homophobic macho types who feel that the more sensitive, intelligent, physically slimmer, and culturally aware hipster ideal threatens their insecure sense of masculinity. At some point in their lives they probably got mocked and ridiculed, or even had beer poured all over their heads, by some downtown girl with a tattoo (aka "hipster") after trying to pull some lame move on them. If you think about it, in some ways the entire hipster revolution came about to mock and ridicule such people and their mentalities. It's not about meat and muscle anymore. Anti-hipster sentiment often comes from people who simply can't keep up with social change and are envious of those who can. Remember...you can always rate the amount of insecurity someone has by the amount they rant about hipsters.
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Really, you concluded this from your research? I believe the opposite - that the hipster 'movement' allowed skinny bullied sensitive young men an opportunity to express themselves in a non-traditional way that was finally attractive to women. This fad isn't a revolution or movement, it's a current trend just like the many that came before it and will fade like many before it. The annoying thing are the delusions of grandeur this fad has generated including your email - using revolution for instance. The guys on the football team might have been dicks but so are the hipsters running around with their playing broke until they turn 26 and take that job their Daddy worked out for them. Being culturally aware doesn't include the lineup at Union Hall.
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"2 are DJ's, 1 is a student."
Read: "We don't have jobs. 2 of us spend a lot of time on Itunes, 1 is finishing up his online course from his community college in Iowa."
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"you use apple and read vice magazine"
douche to the max
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Did I mention I like penis in my rant above. I love penis, I like the salty taste of a nice dirty penis in my mouth and the taste of a mans ass. Ummm, see why your all jealous.
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"The building has the best roof in New York City. There are multiple levels and areas to get a summer BBQ going"----ILEGAL!!!! "There is also a large back wall of windows that faces Metropolitan that is pretty awesome"------Last I saw there ain't nothing nice about Metropolitain ave. Thats like an Industrial 2 way truck route that links from Queens Ridgewood to Brooklyn.
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That place looks like the Salvation Army Store. How can anyone live in there. Look at the Hallways. Is that made out of StyroFoam? Plus look at the furniture it looks like they picked all that up from the curb.
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Dude, thats my Craiglist Post. I am to from Brooklyn, check out google map. I grew up in Brooklyn Ohio, dude. Hey dude who posted the thing about penises. We love hairy penises too, you should move in with us. Dude, you ever had a black guys penis. Oh, bro, dude, its so amazing and diverse. Oh dude, all this penis talk is making me realize that I am the biggest penis on the planet.
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I am from Indiana and I currently live in Chicago. I get the sentiment and annoyances with hipsters, and I find this website to be hilarious. . .BUT, what I don't get is why a hipster is often defined as a person from the midwest that moves to NY or Albequrque, or wherever. . .I mean, don't get me wrong, we've got too many here, but not all "trust fund kids" are from the midwest. . .Not to mention, well, people from the midwest do relocate. And, I know hipster types here that are from New York too. . .so I think the midwest stereotype is bullshit.
Frankly, for a city that produced the hipster craptastic music known as Interpol, to claim the hipsters are coming soley from outside is total BS.
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I can only speak for Albuquerque(it's really not that hard to spell, please), but we've always had our own homegrown hipster people, but the difference was that, for the most part, they KNEW THE TOWN. They knew its people and its culture and generally didn't ACT like entitled transplant douchebags.
Not all hipsters come from the midwest. Obviously, a lot of them come from southern California.
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Its because midwesterners aren't New Yorkers. They are white bread and make New York boring. Real New Yorkers are 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation Americans. Were also fats speaking, aggressive and in your face. Midwesterners are the opposite. We also hate the fact that they have to complain about our culture and say they are making it better. They have no culture, their bland, and they have ruined New York. With that said, we hope they leave soon. I miss the Tony's of the world, I am sick of the Jimmy Dean types.
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First, Midwesterners DON'T want to be New Yorkers. Some of us, sometimes have to move to New York for things like jobs. . .just as sometimes New Yorkers send their brat children to the University of Illinois to go to the best accounting school in the country.
Have you ever been to the midwest to place fact about your generalizations?
Is someone like Dylan an asshole hipster b/c he's from Minnesota and transplanted himself to New York?
You sound like a hipster yourself, self indulgent, and consider yourself the only person full of culture b/c you're a "1st, 2nd and 3rd generation" New Yorker. Hope you never travel outside of New York.
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Nicely put about us Midwesterners. I am only about two generations removed from new york (my family came over to Brooklyn from Europe in the 1800's and left for Chicago in the early 1960's). While I enjoy nyc, and know plenty of people who live and lived there, I find the hostility toward people not from new york a bit perplexing (as well as the younger hipsters who humorously deride the Midwest). Being related to a long line of 'em, I guess I didn't get that whole mystique they were supposed to have. I usually just associated New Yorkers with people like my Great Aunt from Queens who would hand her wash up on the fire-escape to dry and call me up asking 'is yer mothah theah'? While she was a lovely lady, I would not necessarily describe her as particularly cultured or urbane.
Additionally, I'd invite anyone who thinks Midwesterners are mild-mannered milquetoast sorts to visit my old neighborhood where I grew up on the south-side of Chicago.
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These people sound like small minded brats. I imagine they would be unbearable to live with. That apartment looks horrible. My sister in Indiana has more of a sense of style, art, and design than these poor souls (she's an artist). Vice magazine and Mac indeed, I can't help but wonder if this is even for real.
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Yes I have, I hated it, hated them and hate the fact that they are in my neighborhood. Your prove my point, you think the midwest is the greatest place in the world. Stay there, no one wants you here. I used to like actually knowing my neighbors and being able to live in the same house I grew up in. You people lack a culture, know what I mean. Your the mall culture, your bland and stale. You have no flavor at all.
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You, good sir, are a damn idiot.
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Never mentioned it being the greatest place on earth. The only point I prove is that you are some self indulgent hipster that thinks your way is unique and culture filled just because you want to maintain your same neighbors. Maybe they're moving away because you're an idiot?
I assume your real arguement is with the concept of globalism and the ease of mobility today, NOT with the Midwest.
Perhaps in travelling outside of your bubble, the real lack of culture came from yourself, and your inability to entertain yourself in places outside of NYC.
When posing and arguement and trying to appear to have an ounce of intelligence and dignity, you might want to try to understand the difference between your and you're.
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You kids don't get it, I am from Bensonhurst born and raised. Over the last 5 years, every single person I know is gone, there forced away due to the rent and Hipsters replacing them. My culture is gone and been replaced with smug, selfish midwestern brats who see no harm in what they do. I really can't wait till the economy tanks and people want payback.
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Neighborhoods change, I know it sucks for the people that live there, but to ignorantly blame another region of the country for that change just shows your own smallminded xenophobia.
I don't like hipsters either, but everyone I knew left my childhood neighborhood too, but for very different reasons (e.g. skyrocketing poverty, violent crime, and racially motived blockbusting). So forgive me if I don't feel overly verklempt over your plague of funny looking kids from Nebraska.
I know it is easy to point at the skinny little kid in the stupid t-shirt walking down the street and moan 'OMG, those feeble minded Midwestern sheep are destroying my precious culture' but I think that there is more to it than that. I've seen a lot of cities change over the years. New York now is different from the New York my grandfather knew. The Chicago I live in now is vastly different than the Chicago of my youth in the 1970's. My mother grew up in Boston, she barely recognizes the place.
In the words of Tyler Durbin "you are not a a unique and beautiful snowflake", and neither is your 'culture'.
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Some of us look down upon globalists, you know the ones whose parents don't pay their bills so they need to worry about their job being outsourced. Anyone who supports that crap is an enemy of the people of the United States.
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I know, this is going to be a shocker. But, I live in the Midwest, have a job, AND pay my own bills!!
I, too, feel the effects of globalism, as part of my job outsources work to India. But, there are some perks, as my company can afford to hire more project managers (at better salaries) b/c they can afford to do more project work that is outsourced overseas.
I live in a crappy neighborhood on the Southwest side of Chicago so we can afford a decent place to rent too, as everyone is driving up prices in the city because of gentrification. Its everywhere, and its not just Midwestern kids that are moving. There are TONS of people moving to new york from all over the US and outside of the US as well.
Also, I don't understand the reason why everyone thinks Midwestern kids are supported by their parents in their adulthood. Most people pay their own bills here too.
If anything, I would assume a study of Trust Fund Kids would find a higher population of those "living off mommy and daddy" to be relative to the cities in the US that contain the wealthiest patrons. Last I checked:
Top 10 by income:
New York, NY 10004: $1,192,091
New York, NY:10011 $922,834
New York, NY: 10167 $863,843
New York, NY:10286 $721,000
Los Angeles, CA: $595,527
Miami Beach, FL 33109: $533,062
Jersey City, NJ 07399:$528,021
New York, NY 10165: $523,615
New York, NY 10105: $505,130
New York, NY 10112: $504,891
Los Angeles, CA 90067: $500,106
New York, NY 10110: $498,111
Top cities with households earning more than $200,000 per year:
1. New York City: 156,621
2. Los Angeles: 60,811
3. Chicago: 38,252
4. San Francisco: 29,723
5. Houston, TX 28,607
Go figure, only ONE midwestern city. So, I ask, how are middle class midwestern parents even ABLE to support their children in New York City???
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This is how it works. A couple of douchebags get together and pull their money to make up the rent. Four or five get together and pay the greedy landlord $2,500 for a shit apt. that used to rent for $500. The neighborhood is now trendy because all these a-holes say it's trendy. When one shithead can't come up with his or her share of the rent they a. Find another schmuck roommate. or b. Pull a midnite move on the landlord. Not too traumatic because everything they own they can throw in a bag and split. As long as there is an endless supply of these pricks moving in the landlords don't care. They just jack the rents up some more to cover their losses. The whole pyramid scheme falls apart when the neighborhood no longer is desirable and the "locust swarm" of yuppies and hipster doofuses moves on.
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I understand how the concept of supply & demand works, which is what you are describing.
I thought rent prices were determined by the landlords? They set the price and determine if someone is willing to spend that, and if someone is, well, that's how American consumerism, voodoo economics, whatever you want to call it works.
So, the NY property owning landlords are equally at fault. I get this concept, and yes, it sucks. . .but this happens EVERYWHERE. . .outside of the US even. Your options are to pay the same price others are willing to offer or to look for a different market. New York is not the only city that gentrifies and changes. Look at downtown Chicago 20-30 years ago versus what it is today. I get that it sucks.
But, back to my original point, ITS NOT THE FAULT OF THE MIDWEST. Its something that happens everywhere through time, and your city and home are special or different. If anything, the large numbers of people with higher incomes are more to blame than people who migrate to your city. They are the ones overpaying for property.
Its easy to take it out on Michigan, but that's not really root cause of the problem.
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Actually the NYC housing market is a bit more complex because there are laws on the books that stipulate rents for approx. 1,000,000 apts. that currently fall under Rent Control and Rent Stabilization. These laws were enacted to provde lower/moderate income ppl.a certain degree of protection against excessive rent hikes which would otherwise force these ppl. to leave the city. The majority of politicians in NY could care less about this issue and many are in favor of abolishing the laws altogether. So in essence these "hipsters" are just hastening this process which will eventually force them out of the market also. It is a supply and demand dynamic but what the politicians don't realize is that unless wages for ppl. in civil service jobs ie: police,fire,sanitation,health etc.etc. keep pace w/ the rising rents the city will find itself w/o a workforce to supply these essential services. Privatization is not a viable option in alot of these positions. The city will become a victim of it's own success and the quality of life for EVERYONE will suffer in the end.
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No it won't.
See, all we have to do is recruit all the Hipsters into the Fire Dept and EMS. Then, when you call 911 you get Josh," like, dude, I'm trying to listen Sufjan Stevens on my iPod and you like interrupted me. This is, like, not cool.. Can you like have your fire like later.. I'm still like nursing my PBR hangover."
Or Megan the Hipster EMT girl on seeing a wound.. "EEwww! That's like GROSS!!.. like worse than Todd's tattoo. Like .. not cool at all... I'm going for a coffee and like blogging about Obama and like saving the rainforest ... or something".
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Those are averages. You really think that there arent thousands of midwestern and western families that have alot of money that didnt make the list? Don't be a fool. Also, none of those people in those zipcodes made their money from making shitty art in NYC.
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These are city figures - NOT the SUBURBS where all the douchebags come from.
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Again, the concept of Rent Control, section 8 housing, etc is applicable to more renting communities than New York. . .sorry to burst your bubble, but again, you are no different from the world. And I agree, raising rent to ridiculous amounts hurts most people in the communittee.
But, I also think it's ridiculous to live in a metropolis area and to expect your neighbors not to change. I would suggest a move to a more rural area if that is what you want.
I also know those income figures are averages, but it does OBVIOUSLY say that a NY family on average earns much more than a midwestern family. I'm not saying that there aren't trust fund kids out of the midwest, but they obviously aren't all from the midwest. NY in itself is also at fault. Perhaps part of the problem with the rise in income is that it also causes a rise in the amount people are willing to pay for rent, which leads to the rent problem you explain.
I'd appreciate not being called a fool. I'm the only one talking about actual and factual figures here and not grossly misstated generalizations.
I'm sorry your rents are going up, I do sympathize with that. But, I don't sympathize with pathetic attempts to blame a particular region of the country for cost of living prices in your city. It's completely unfounded. Personally, I take offense of being told that b/c of where my zip code is located, it is assumed that my parents foot my bills.
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Your a Hipster, face it. Why would someone from Chicago stumble across this website and start ranting about how closed minded and stupid we are for complaining about Hipsters in "NEW YORK". Did you do a google search for some god unknown reason looking for what the evil New Yorkers say about Midwesterners. Your the same guy who hates the native New Yorkers and posts that stupid rebuttal every second. Its your fault, and I hate midwesterners because they anger me for not being from New York. Got a problem, meet me at Duffs in Billyburg and I will show you some real New Yorkers.
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I think I stumbled on this website via a link, I believe from Chicagoist. . .the website is called diehipster, not diemidwesterners, or diehipsternyc. . .I find it hilarious and relevant to the same sort of people we have around these parts.
If you want to limit to people that live in New York, might want to avoid a public website.
I actually don't hate New Yorkers, east coasters, and the like. I have had a great time visiting friends that are born and bred New Yorkers in the past and have nothing against the city or people that live there.
I'm trying to rebutt that the all midwesterners are not assholes, nor are we the root cause of your problems. You seem to be posting rebuttles as well.
Some people, like myself, aren't priviledged enough to have parents that raise them in the same town and communitee all of their lives. Some people have to move. I'm sorry that New York can't become its own country that denies people visitation rights. Its just ridiculous to get angry at people for the fact that they moved to NY that aren't from there.
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I couldn't care less where it is you all came from I just can't stand you SOBs.
Go do some research on the riots in Bushwick,Williamsburg,BedStuy during the 70's. It's going to happen again but only this time it won't be just the minorities doing the rioting. It will be everyone and they will use you as a scapegoat for all their problems. If that is justified or not is irrelevant. If that is rational - it doesn't matter. Your blithe comment about moving to a rural area shows your naivete or lack of empathy. I can be just as indifferent towards hipsters when their shit gets handed back to them. Like someone else mentioned earlier "I'd pay to see that!"
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You're complaining about not maintaining the same neighbors for 5 years in rental properties in a large city and I am the naive one???
I'm empathetic to rent prices raising and people having to live in crappier apartments with longer commutes b/c of a lack of rent control. I'm not empathetic to your neighbors not all being 3rd generation New Yorkers. Sorry, I've lived in the same building for 2 years and have had a slew of different neighbors, from all over the country, that's how rental properties work.
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You obviously don't understand how large city rental properties do work. Including my family, there are many other families that have lived in my neighborhood for generations in RENTAL properties. These are the same families that are now being priced out and forced to move further away from where they established roots. They worked hard, paid their taxes, raised families to have a home. NYC is shit anymore because of the mass gentrification and swarm of rich foreigners, yuppies, and SPOILED TRUST FUND SHITHEADS who just don't get it. NYC is now like any other city run by corporate whores who cater to the sheeple. You can all gleefully giggle because you have created a city that you all want -- mine is dead. Rot in Hell.
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This is what happens when you have a Mayor and a City Council who basically don't give a shit about common working people. They talk a good line of shit about affordable housing, wages, services ,etc.etc. but that's all it is - is talk. Hi rise condos going up in every borough of the city.Zoning laws rewritten to favor developers, tax incentives to benefit the wealthy. Bldg. code violations overlooked, construction codes ignored. This is their legacy to the city. They want to build a city for a certain class of people only. Well I'm not going to welcome these new transplanted shitheads to this city. Fuck 'em all!
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You forgot Uncle Joe Bruno and Shelly Silver up in Albany, they could give a rats as about real New Yorkers. Bruno will be dead soon and I hear that there is a proggressive lawyer in East Greenbush that can win his seat and Shelly may lose. Oh god, New York would be back baby.........Oh yeah, I also realize Hipsters don't know ho they are, because there not New Yorkers, woops....They don't even know where Van Cortland park is let alone Albany.
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